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Game #3861

Aston Villa

Saturday, 17 August 1985

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Lost

21st

Last 5: 🟩 🟩 🟥 🟥 🟥

Division One

Manchester United

Old Trafford

Attendance: 49,743

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

Manchester United

4-0

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Aston Villa

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Assist(s) | None

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

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MATCH TIMELINE

Saturday, 17 August 1985

🔁 | 35' Sub off, Colin Gibson, Sub on, Darren Bradley
🕒 | HT Manchester United 0-0 Aston Villa
🥅 | 47’ Goal, 0-1, (Manchester United) , Norman Whiteside
🥅 | 49’ Goal, 0-2, (Manchester United), Mark Hughes
🥅 | 74’ Goal, 0-3, (Manchester United), Mark Hughes
🥅 | 82' Goal, 0-4, (Manchester United), Jesper Olsen
🕒 | FT Manchester United 4-0 Aston Villa

Match Statistics

Not recorded

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

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ON THIS DAY

Saturday, 17 August 1985

  • Villa open the season with a 🟥 heavy defeat under Graham Turner 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 as old boy John Gidman 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 does the damage, creating two goals for United in their stroll.

  • Graham Turner’s 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Villa had now 🟥 lost three successive games conceding six, and scoring once. 

  • Further entrenching the bizarre and destructive transfer policy under Chairman Herbert Doug Eliis, centre forward Andy Gray 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 makes his first appearance for Villa aged 29 since rejoining from Everton in July 1985 for a fee of £150,000. 

  • Gray 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 had been Villa’s leading scorer under Ellis’ previous tenure as Chairman before being sold in 1979. 

  • Confusingly Gray’s 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 age, 29, was past that of a series of league and European Cup winning players who had been sold by Ellis (Ken McNaught 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿, 28, David Geddis 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, 25, Tony Morley 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, 29, Eamonn Deacy 🇮🇪 25, and Gordon Cowans 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, 26) and was considerably older than Villa’s now departed leading scorer for the previous season Rideout 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (20). 

  • As a result, despite claims to the contrary, there was little evidence that it was the restructuring of an “ageing” squad that caused those players to be sold under Herbert Douglas Ellis’ chairmanship.

  • Forward Gary Shaw 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 makes his first appearance for Villa since February 1984 due to injury.

  • Centre back Brendan Ormsby 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 makes his 🕒 125th appearance in a Villa shirt (121 Starts)

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

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DEBUT APPEARANCES

🟢 CF Andy Gray | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 |

FINAL APPEARANCES

None

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Aston Villa

European Cup / Champions League: 🏆
League Champions: 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 🏆🏆
FA Cup Winners: 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 🏆🏆
League Cup Winners: 🏆🏆🏆
Last Trophy: 1981-82

Manchester United

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European Cup / Champions League: 🏆
League Champions: 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 🏆🏆
FA Cup Winners: 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 🏆
League Cup Winners: ❌
Last Trophy: 1984-85

FIXTURE HISTORY

Villa v

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Manchester United

Previous 5 vs. United: 🟥 🟩 🟥 🟩 🟥

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

FIXTURE DETAILS

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Season | 1985-86 |
Matchday | #1 |
League Match | #1 |
Manager Game | #47 |
Saturday, 17 August 1985

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🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

MATCH SUMMARY

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Manager: Graham Turner | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | Ellesmere Port, 1984-1986
Referee: Colin Seel | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | Carlisle, 1973-1987
Kick off: 3.00pm
HT Score: 🟨 0-0
FT Result: 🟥 Lost
FT Score: 🟥 0-4
Last 5: 🟩 🟩 🟥 🟥 🟥

Scorers
Timeline
On This Day
Trophies
Matches
Fixture

MANAGERIAL RECORD

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Graham Turner | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | 1984-1986

GAMES | WINS | DRAWS | LOSSES | POINTS PER GAME

🕒 47 | 🟩 | 17 🟨 | 11 🟥 19 | 1.32

Villa Career Form:

Mid Table

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

MATCH OFFICIALS

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Referee: Colin Seel | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | Carlisle, 1973-1987
Matches Officiated: 8
🟩 : 3
🟨 : 2
🟥 : 3
🆘 : 3
Previous 5: 🟩 🟥 🟩 🟨 🟩
Last Match: 🟩 5 November 1983, Villa 2-1 United, Old Trafford.
Cards: None

ALL THE MATCHES LED BY:

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Graham Turner | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | 1984-1986

ALL THE MATCHES REFEREED BY:

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CARDS

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None

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TEAM NEWS

TEAM STATS

Graham Turner handed the returning Andy Gray his first start.

Starting XI Average Age
| 24.73 |

Oldest Player |
CF Andy Gray | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 | 29.73 |

Youngest Player |
LB Tony Dorigo | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | 19.64 |

Referee
Manager

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

MANAGER

Graham Turner | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | 1984-1986

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Aston Villa

GK Nigel Spink | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
LB Tony Dorigo | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
CB Allan Evans | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 |
CB Brendan Ormsby | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
RB Gary Williams | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
M Colin Gibson | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | 🔁 |
M Paul Birch | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
M Steve McMahon | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
W Mark Walters | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
F Gary Shaw | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
CF Andy Gray | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 |

MANAGER

Ron Atkinson | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | (ft)

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Manchester United

GK Gary Bailey | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
RB John Gidman (ex) | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
CB Paul McGrath | 🇮🇪 |
CB Graeme Hogg | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 |
LB Arthur Albiston | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 |
M Remi Moses | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | 🔁 |
M Jesper Olsen | 🇩🇰 | ⚽ |
M Bryan Robson | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |
W Norman Whiteside | 🇬🇧 | ⚽ |
CF Frank Stapleton | 🇮🇪 |
CF Mark Hughes | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 | ⚽ | ⚽ |

Line Ups

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

SUBSTITUTES

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🔁 | M Darren Bradley | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | for M Colin Gibson | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | 35' |

SUBSTITUTES

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🔁 | M Remi Moses | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | (RB Mike Duxbury | 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 |)

Substitutes

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

UNUSED SUBSTITUTES

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UNUSED SUBSTITUTES

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Player Positions:

GK : Goalkeeper
CB, D, B : Centre Back, Defender, Back
FB, LB, RB, WH : Full Back, Left Back, Right Back, Wing Back, Wing Half


M, CH, LH, RH : Midfielder, Centre Half, Left Half, Right Half
W, OL, OR : Winger, Outside Left, Outside Right
F, IF, IL, IR : Forward, Inside Forward, Inside Left, Inside Right, Second Striker, False 9
CF : Centre Forward

Match Symbols:

⚽ | Goal
🔥 | Assist
🔁 | Substitution

🟨 | Booking

🟥 | Sending off

🆘 | Poor refereeing performance
🟢 : Debut 🔴 : Final Game

Squad Bios

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

SQUAD STATS

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1st XI:
Home Nation 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇬🇧 : 11/11

Squad:
Home Nation 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇬🇧 : 12/12

SQUAD STATS

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1st XI:
Home Nation 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇬🇧 : 8/11

Squad:
Home Nation 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇬🇧 : 9/12

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

MATCHDAY SQUAD

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MATCHDAY SQUAD

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UNAVAILABLE

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UNAVAILABLE

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LEAGUE TABLE

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MATCHDAY PROGRAMME

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Tables & Programmes

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

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MATCH QUOTES

Quotes

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

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MATCH REPORTS

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Reports

🟥 17 August 1985, Villa 0-4 United, Old Trafford.

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